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eloc_jcg · Mar 24, 2007, 01:08 AM // 01:08

Ok, recently my entire guild was kicked by an Officer promoting someone one then the someone kicking everyone out. That is like 60 members and is really crappy

. I suggest that Officers can't promote other people to Officers so that this never happens.

~Eloc Jcg

Covah · Mar 24, 2007, 01:45 AM // 01:45

um, anyone could have done that. The guild ldr could have kicked everyone. So are you saying there should be no officers?

eloc_jcg · Mar 24, 2007, 02:26 AM // 02:26

No, I am the Guild Leader. Last night an Officer promoted a Member to Officer and the new Officer that was just promoted kicked everyone out of the guild. Also, the old Officer left the guild to because we are short an Officer now.

Xenex Xclame · Mar 24, 2007, 03:07 AM // 03:07

No,powers of leaders and officers shouldn't be removed or changed just because of some idiots.

It's your fault that you promoted the officer and its the officer's fault that he promoted the member.
Just don't give idiots powers they cant handle , problem fixed.

Not A Fifty Five · Mar 24, 2007, 04:57 AM // 04:57

thread clone #29

eloc_jcg · Mar 24, 2007, 06:30 AM // 06:30

Yes, but I believed that this person was loyal. I only promote possible people if they have been in for over a month.

Azrael1309 · Mar 24, 2007, 06:53 AM // 06:53

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Originally Posted by eloc_jcg

Yes, but I believed that this person was loyal. I only promote possible people if they have been in for over a month.

IMHO one month isn't enough to see if someone is truly loyal. In most guilds that I've been in or known through friends, the timetable for getting promoted is about 3 months or more. Although it's not fair to people who are genuinely honest and loyal, you have to be a bit untrusting of people in this game for your guild's protection.

eloc_jcg · Mar 24, 2007, 10:31 PM // 22:31

But my guild has only been around for a month. I took some initial people and made them all into Officers. Then, I promoted people when I needed more Officers when the 1 month period came.

ischuros · Mar 24, 2007, 10:50 PM // 22:50

1 month?! I've been in my guild now since July of last year, and in that time only one person has been promoted to be an officer. Wehave one officer and the leader, and around 30 active memebrs, and you know, it's alright. Only promote peopleto be an officer, firstly, if you need an extra one, and secondly, if they would be good doing the good, deserving it should be of no consequnce.

Puebert · Mar 26, 2007, 01:19 AM // 01:19

That happened to one guild in our alliance, [XR]. XR had promoted a well known officer to leader while the leader was on vacation, and the new leader kicked over half the guild, including the leader.

This also happened in my very first guild. I promoted a friend, (who I knew in real life) to officer. His friend got onto his account and kicked all of our members.

I don't know what they can do about this, maybe add a "Re-add" button to the leader's screen that would re-invite all members that were kicked within the last 24 hour period. (No fee of course)

Series · Mar 26, 2007, 01:26 AM // 01:26

It is true that it doesn't make much sense for officers to promote others to officer. I agree with this.

=HT=Ingram · Mar 26, 2007, 10:31 AM // 10:31

I instigated an activity clause in our alliance. Officer status is awarded by activity... all officers over 3 weeks inactive are demoted to members, and any members that remain consistently active for over a week become officers... Thats just fair...

The log is pretty clear if someone is kicked, so if it was not intended, you demote that officer, and anyone else responsable, and reinvite the wronged members that were kicked... Its not that big a deal... just keep track of your guild. It gets a little harder in large alliances.. But even there if all your guild leaders work together, its not too hard to keep track of things...

I highly recommend making a web page (maybe a free forums or something) if you have a full 10 guild alliance to allow for communication between officers and leaders. It really really helps...

Common Setup... http://invisionfree.com/
Make a forums for the entire Alliance.. all members of the alliance joins the forums.
Subsections dedicated to each of 10 guilds.
and 1 section (password protected) for all 10 guild leaders...

This is the easiest way to keep things in order in a large alliance. If you only have a few dozen players in each its not so bad... but when your dealing with a few hundred over all... its worth the time to maintain a web page...

eloc_jcg · Mar 26, 2007, 01:54 PM // 13:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by ischuros

1 month?! I've been in my guild now since July of last year, and in that time only one person has been promoted to be an officer. Wehave one officer and the leader, and around 30 active memebrs, and you know, it's alright. Only promote peopleto be an officer, firstly, if you need an extra one, and secondly, if they would be good doing the good, deserving it should be of no consequnce.

I DON'T promote everyone at one month. That is just my set minimum amount of time for them to be eligible to be promoted. I also demote any Officers who are inactive for a week and kick inactive members at one week. Demoted Officers get 2 weeks till kick. Also, I could only invite back around 16 members due to the fact that guild history doesn't go that far enough to try and invite back all 60 members.

wilderness · Mar 26, 2007, 01:58 PM // 13:58

I see no reason to change to change here. If anything you should learn better judgment as a guild leader.

What there should be though is the option to invite back all members who have been kicked in the passed month or so. Something like that.

Div · Mar 26, 2007, 02:42 PM // 14:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by eloc_jcg

But my guild has only been around for a month. I took some initial people and made them all into Officers. Then, I promoted people when I needed more Officers when the 1 month period came.

That's part of the problem. When making a guild, don't just take people are promote them to officers. Also, kicking members who are inactive for one week is not necessarily a good thing for the guild, since you'll have a large influx/outflux of people, and loyalty will be hard to come by. Don't blame the system, blame your inability to manage your officers.

Alex Morningstar · Mar 26, 2007, 03:19 PM // 15:19

Don't promote for people unless you trust them. If you promote someone you trust and they do something like that... time to evaluate what it is you see in people like that, that makes you trust them.

Judgement calls instead of promoting after x days, or promoting for x behavior, or kicking for x days of activity always seemed rather impartial to me. I prefer to do everything case by case. Granted my guild is set up a little differently where I have time to go case by case.

max gladius · Mar 26, 2007, 05:08 PM // 17:08

ive been running our guild 2 yrs now, they have done many changes to guild and things guildies can do... i love that officers can no longer kick other officers, that is the first step, but i am not sure about officers promoting others to officers

I am very active in game, and personally am on enough to promote officers when they deserve it...

But more important, is dont promote people to officer who would promote others and such a thing would occure... personally i would hold the person who promoted the kicker responsible, guessing that the kicker left already....

also, very important is this, after month 2 of guild, i always take screen shots weekly of whole guild, simple facts, lots of ppl, some ppl get accounts hacked *not trying to change this subject*, never know what tomorrow will bring....

If my guild would happen to be destroyed, my account gets hacked or such even, i would beable to rebuild the entire guild with maybe 1 or 2 brand new members missing... but the backbone would still be there...

point of story... dont promote ppl who will cause such things, and screen shot ur guild...

=HT=Ingram · Mar 26, 2007, 11:04 PM // 23:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by max gladius

also, very important is this, after month 2 of guild, i always take screen shots weekly of whole guild, simple facts, lots of ppl, some ppl get accounts hacked *not trying to change this subject*, never know what tomorrow will bring....

If my guild would happen to be destroyed, my account gets hacked or such even, i would beable to rebuild the entire guild with maybe 1 or 2 brand new members missing... but the backbone would still be there...

Very good.. this is exactly the kind of thing Our alliance does. worst case scenario we remake the guild or reinvite from old archived roster ScreenShots. thats where having a web page for the larger clans / alliances helps tremendously. If someone is kicked they can say Hey WTH? in the forums and alert a leader of a problem early... If you need to go back and see an Old Roster to find a name of someone it provides an online archive to do so...

After all our Friends list is only so big. lol

Higo · Mar 27, 2007, 07:31 AM // 07:31

I think everyone's picking on him too much... I mean, stuff happens even when we know we can trust others

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Its not a bad idea IMO to allow the guild leader to designate whether officers can promote others to officers upon foundation of the guild.

In real life, if you're a manager in a company do you hire other managers? Or does your boss? This disparity should suggest the possibility of abuse, as well as the fact that this is a cloned thread.

One problem, one solution. Allow guild leaders more control of promotion/demotion options when the guild is founded.

Xenex Xclame · Mar 27, 2007, 07:53 AM // 07:53

Your missing the point, we are not picking on him and unlike you, i think he gets the point of our posts.
Its a simple mistake someone did, nothing that can be done about it except learn.

Ill continue your example of real life, you as a manager interview someone, you either don't ask if the person has a criminal past or the person lies about it.

(who is in fact a scam artist , which you could have found out phoning the local police station cause the idiot used his real name)

So in case one its your fault because you didn't ask and in the second its also your mistake cause you trusted the person.

The op didn't suggest that guild leaders should have the power to decide what powers a certain officer gets ( can only invite new players,can only kick, can only promote etc) he suggested that they could not promote at all.

BTW , the suggestion about giving officers certain powers but not others have been suggested and also is liked by most.